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01:35:24 PM Education Overview: Accountability & Responsibilities, Standards, Testing, Graduation Rates, Moore Case Settlement Update
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Case Settlement Update by Commissioner Michael
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 26, 2012                                                                                            
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltz called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Michael  Hanley, Commissioner,  Department of  Education and                                                                    
Early  Development;  Karen   Rehfeld,  Director,  Office  of                                                                    
Management  and Budget,  Office of  the Governor;  Elizabeth                                                                    
Sweeney Nudelman, Director,  School Finances and Facilities,                                                                    
Department of  Education and Early Development,  Director of                                                                    
School Finance                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:35:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^EDUCATION  OVERVIEW:   ACCOUNTABILITY  &  RESPONSIBILITIES,                                                                    
STANDARDS, TESTING, GRADUATION  RATES, MOORE CASE SETTLEMENT                                                                    
UPDATE                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  HANLEY, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  EDUCATION AND                                                                    
EARLY DEVELOPMENT began with Slide  2, which illustrated the                                                                    
structure  of  the  State Education  Association  (SEA).  He                                                                    
noted that  the department's  structure was unique  to other                                                                    
departments in the  state. The graph showed  the State Board                                                                    
of Education &  Early Development at the top.  The board was                                                                    
a 7  member voluntary board  that met approximately  6 times                                                                    
per year; SEA board members  were appointed by the governor.                                                                    
He noted that the  commissioner's position in the department                                                                    
was appointed by the board  and approved by the governor. He                                                                    
detailed the duties of the board.  He noted that the SEA was                                                                    
the  school  board  for  Mount  Edgecumbe  Boarding  School.                                                                    
Currently, the  SEA had renewed  several charter  schools in                                                                    
the state, discussed and put  out for public comment new cut                                                                    
scores for work keys; the  work keys assessment in regard to                                                                    
the   performance  scholarship,   reviewed  and   asked  for                                                                    
additional   financial   information  form   two   districts                                                                    
regarding  the  70/30  requirements,  and  put  out  for  an                                                                    
extended period  of public comment  a proposed set  of state                                                                    
standards. He shared  that the role of  the commissioner was                                                                    
to set  the vision  for the  department, direct  and oversee                                                                    
the work  of the  staff, monitor  and implement  the budget,                                                                    
acquire  and provide  grants to  school districts  and carry                                                                    
out  the  role  of  support and  accountability  to  the  53                                                                    
districts statewide. The organization chart:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
State Board of Education & Early Development                                                                                  
   · Commissioner                                                                                                               
        o Teaching & Learning Support                                                                                           
        o School Finance & Facilities                                                                                           
        o Administrative Services                                                                                               
        o Libraries, Archives, & Museums                                                                                        
        o Mount Edgecumbe Boarding School                                                                                       
             Æ’Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                       
            Æ’Alaska State Council on the Arts                                                                                  
             Æ’Alaska Commission on Postsecondary Education                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg   requested  further  information                                                                    
regarding   how  the   commissioner   interacted  with   the                                                                    
individual  53  school  boards  that  served  the  districts                                                                    
throughout the state.                                                                                                           
Mr. Hanley responded with the  information on Slide 3, which                                                                    
listed  the   responsibilities  of   the  state   under  the                                                                    
Education clauses:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Superior Court defined, in 2007, the State's                                                                        
     responsibilities under the Education clauses:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          1. Appropriate Educational Standards                                                                                  
          2. Adequate Assessments                                                                                               
          3. Oversight & Accountability                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     (A fourth is funding, which is a statutory decision)                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner    Hanley   stated    that   the    overarching                                                                    
responsibility  stopped at  the local  education association                                                                    
(LEA),   or  local   school  boards.   The  state   had  the                                                                    
responsibility  of distributing  funding  through grants  to                                                                    
the  local   boards,  as  well  as   setting  standards  and                                                                    
assessments  and  providing   support,  accountability,  and                                                                    
oversight. He  explained that as  a local  governance state,                                                                    
authority was  given to  the local  districts to  make their                                                                    
own  decisions for  hiring superintendent  under the  school                                                                    
board.   Additionally,  local   boards   were  tasked   with                                                                    
allocating  the  state  funds   provided  in  their  overall                                                                    
budget,  operating  and  maintaining school  sites,  student                                                                    
accountability and setting  and maintaining state curriculum                                                                    
standards and teacher evaluations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley relayed that  the difference between the                                                                    
SEA and LEA was oftentimes  misinterpreted. He said that the                                                                    
SEA had the responsibility to  set the standards and the LEA                                                                    
set  how  to  implement   those  standards.  He  noted  that                                                                    
Anchorage had  various models  within the  district designed                                                                    
to meet state  standards. He reiterated that  Alaska did not                                                                    
have  a  statewide  curriculum,  but  that  local  districts                                                                    
determined   the  curriculum   to   address  the   statewide                                                                    
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:45:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  asked  about  the  Anchorage  system                                                                    
adopting the  "common core"  standards, which  differed from                                                                    
state standards.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  replied that  the information  would be                                                                    
highlighted further in the presentation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson shared that the  state had Tier 1 thru                                                                    
Tier  3  schools.  Tier  1 schools  were  school  that  were                                                                    
meeting the  expectations set by  the state, Tier  2 schools                                                                    
were not  meeting the  standards and  Tier 3  schools, which                                                                    
were  intervention districts.  She  queried  what steps  the                                                                    
state took for improvement when a school fell below Tier 1.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley responded  that the  tier system  was a                                                                    
function  of  the  federal  No Child  Left  Behind  law.  He                                                                    
stressed that  the state had  a responsibility  of oversight                                                                    
and accountability.  He said  that when  a district  had the                                                                    
authority to  make decisions for students,  and the students                                                                    
were  chronically   low  performing,   the  state   had  the                                                                    
responsibility  to step  in by  offering solutions.  He said                                                                    
that the federal  model also offered the  student the option                                                                    
of enrolling  in a higher  performing school.   He furthered                                                                    
that  when  districts   hit  intervention  status,  teaching                                                                    
coaches  were  used.  He  stated  that  the  coaches  worked                                                                    
directly with teachers and district  leadership to align the                                                                    
curriculum with state  standards. He added that  the SEA had                                                                    
the authority to do more, but  this was not usually done out                                                                    
of respect for the local governance model.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  wondered  what would  constitute  an                                                                    
instance where the state might more strongly intervene.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley stated  that the  issue was  an ongoing                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:50:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN REHFELD,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF THE  GOVERNOR reported on school  funding over the                                                                    
past years. She  relayed that Alaska had  made a significant                                                                    
investment in K-12 education over  the years. She noted that                                                                    
education  spending  was a  significant  piece  of the  FY13                                                                    
general fund  budget request. The  chart located on  Slide 4                                                                    
showed the  general fund  appropriations for  K-12 Education                                                                    
from FY  04 until FY  13. She  stated the chart  covered all                                                                    
the major  pieces of education  funding that was  dealt with                                                                    
on an annual  basis: the K-12 school  funding formula, pupil                                                                    
transportation,   retirement   system   unfunded   liability                                                                    
assistance   payments,   school  debt   reimbursement   from                                                                    
municipal   districts,   school   construction   and   major                                                                    
maintenance,  as well  as one-time  funding. The  chart also                                                                    
included  average  daily  membership and  a  calculation  of                                                                    
expenditures per  average daily  membership for  each fiscal                                                                    
year.  She  highlighted  that  there  had  been  significant                                                                    
increases in general fund spending  since FY04. She said the                                                                    
total state  general fund  contribution had  nearly doubled;                                                                    
from  $831 million  in FY04,  to $1.7  billion in  FY13. She                                                                    
directed committee  attention to the K-12  formula and pupil                                                                    
transportation, which  received $734.9 million in  FY04, and                                                                    
then an  increase to  $1.15 billion in  FY13. She  said that                                                                    
over  the same  time  period, the  average daily  membership                                                                    
numbers  declined, from  132 thousand  to 129  thousand. She                                                                    
highlighted that  in FY08 $80  million in  retirement system                                                                    
costs  was  shifted  to  the  state  and  the  base  student                                                                    
allocation (BSA) was not changed  or reduced by that amount.                                                                    
Additionally,  the FY08  budget  reflected  a one-time,  $69                                                                    
million item,  which included $48 million  for district cost                                                                    
factors not yet  rolled into the foundation  formula and $21                                                                    
million for improvement grants.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  reported that  FY09 was the  first year  of the                                                                    
education funding  plan that had  a three-year  increase for                                                                    
the   BSA   and   intensive  students,   and   a   five-year                                                                    
implementation of  the district  cost factor  adjustment. In                                                                    
FY09  the BSA  rose  from  $5,380 per  AADM  to $5,480;  the                                                                    
increase resulted  in a $22.3  million increase in  the BSA.                                                                    
Intensive students  in FY09  were funded  at nine  times the                                                                    
BSA, which cost the state $35.4 million.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  requested  the definition  of  "intensive                                                                    
needs" students.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Rehfeld  explained   that  intensive   needs  students                                                                    
required  multiple  services  in  the  classroom.  Some  had                                                                    
conditions,  some medical,  that needed  to be  addressed in                                                                    
the classroom on a daily  basis. She asserted that there was                                                                    
a significant need to address  the cost of serving intensive                                                                    
needs students because  assisting them on a  daily basis was                                                                    
expensive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley agreed.  He added  that some  intensive                                                                    
needs students  needed one-on-one assistance in  order to be                                                                    
successful in the classroom.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:56:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked about  the increases passed by the                                                                    
legislature 6  and 4 years ago  in an effort to  assist with                                                                    
retirement debt  [indicated in  light blue  on the  graph on                                                                    
Slide 4],  increase funding  for special  needs and  to deal                                                                    
with the inequity between urban  and rural school districts.                                                                    
He  understood   that  schools  were  not   currently  fully                                                                    
compensated for special needs funding.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH  SWEENEY NUDELMAN,  DIRECTOR, SCHOOL  FINANCES AND                                                                    
FACILITIES, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT,                                                                    
DIRECTOR  OF SCHOOL  FINANCE answered  that the  funding for                                                                    
each  of  the  intensive needs  students  was  approximately                                                                    
$75,000 per student. She qualified  that the funding did not                                                                    
necessarily  follow each  student;  one  student could  cost                                                                    
$30,000, while  another could cost  $100,000. She  said that                                                                    
the funding  was far reaching in  accommodating expenditures                                                                    
for the intensive needs students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas asked  how the  $80  million of  retirement                                                                    
money  given  during  that  time would  equate  to  the  BSA                                                                    
increase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied  that at the time the  $100 BSA increase                                                                    
equated to approximately $20 million.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  understood that  the BSA increased  by $300                                                                    
in FY08.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied it was closer to $400.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  thought that  a lot  of money  had been                                                                    
appropriated in  the past. He  pointed to  FY 11 and  FY 13;                                                                    
other  than  an  increase in  retirement,  funding  remained                                                                    
flat.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  responded that  she  would  be discussing  the                                                                    
numbers for those years further into the presentation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello asked what the  cost would be to pay                                                                    
off the PERS and TERS liability.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied approximately $11 billion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello wondered if  the legislature were to                                                                    
choose  the  option of  paying  off  the unfunded  liability                                                                    
would  the ongoing  liability become  the responsibility  of                                                                    
the districts.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  said  that  currently,  because  of  statutory                                                                    
framework, districts  are held  at paying 12.56  percent for                                                                    
TERS. It  would be  beneficial to the  state for  the entire                                                                    
unfunded liability to be paid off.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello recalled  the Learning  Opportunity                                                                    
grant that was at one point rolled into the BSA.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman believed  that the grants were  rolled into the                                                                    
formula as Quality Schools grants  and were now incorporated                                                                    
into the total dollars that went out to the district.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello understood that  the grants were for                                                                    
teachers to use to purchase classroom materials.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman replied that she  did not know exact parameters                                                                    
of the grants.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  that the  grants were  part of                                                                    
the local authority; local school  boards and districts were                                                                    
able to make determinations on how to use the grants.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:03:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan  remarked  that the  chart  indicated                                                                    
that cost of education had doubled from FY04 to FY13.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  understood that  the increase  in BSA                                                                    
had been 55 to 60 percent                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld said  that  from FY08  the  BSA increased  from                                                                    
$5,380 per student to the current $5,680.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan reiterated  that  from  FY04 to  FY13                                                                    
there was a 55 to 60 percent increase in the BSA.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nudelman  explained that  the  BSA  was not  separately                                                                    
represented  on the  graph, she  stressed  that the  numbers                                                                    
represented the overall increase in funding.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan   stated  that   he  was   trying  to                                                                    
determine the percentage increase form  FY04 to FY13 on K-12                                                                    
Foundation and Pupil Transportation Formula funding.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nudelman replied  that the  increase  from $734,912  to                                                                    
$1,152,730 could be found on the bottom of Slide 4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan   requested  the  actual   number  of                                                                    
percentage  increase  in  the  BSA over  the  10  year  time                                                                    
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:06:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough pointed out  to the committee that the                                                                    
$11 billion liability for PERS and  TERS was at an 8 percent                                                                    
rate  of  return,  which  could  be  considered  high  under                                                                    
current  money management  scenarios.  She wondered  whether                                                                    
the  actual  percentage rate  was  being  considered by  the                                                                    
Alaska   Retirement   and   Management  Board   (ARM)   when                                                                    
presenting  to the  legislature  what  the actual  liability                                                                    
would be in the future.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld relayed  that the  ARM board  annually examined                                                                    
the numbers.  She said that  the latest evaluation  would be                                                                    
available in June 2012, and  those would be the numbers used                                                                    
to determine the rate for FY14.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas wondered  why  the student  head count  was                                                                    
declining.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  responded that generally  the decreases                                                                    
were seen in rural, rather than urban, areas.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  queried the  predicted student  increase in                                                                    
FY13.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Nudelman   interjected   that   the   student   number                                                                    
projections  were generated  by  the  school districts  each                                                                    
year and that a slight increase was expected in FY13.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked if the decline was an overall trend.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman replied yes. She  added that the increase could                                                                    
be  slight  from one  year  to  the  next, but  overall  the                                                                    
numbers  were decreasing.  She directed  committee attention                                                                    
to the bottom of Slide 4.  She said that the increase in the                                                                    
formula funding from FY04 to FY13 was 58 percent.                                                                               
2:10:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman   mentioned  the   transient  student                                                                    
population  in Alaska.  He  suggested that  a  twice a  year                                                                    
student count should  be performed in order  to better gauge                                                                    
the flux of the student population.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley responded  that the  conversation about                                                                    
multiple counts  was ongoing. He  said that the  count could                                                                    
be done on a monthly  basis, but each additional count would                                                                    
cost money, and the line would have to be drawn eventually.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  asked how  money was  allocated after                                                                    
appropriation by the legislature.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  stated that the  calculation was taken  once a                                                                    
year  and then  12 monthly  payments  were sent  out to  the                                                                    
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon thought  it could  be informative  to                                                                    
compare the 53 school districts  to the K-12 Formula Funding                                                                    
in order  to determine an  upward trend.   He felt  that the                                                                    
issue really  surrounded the  BSA and  wondered if  data was                                                                    
available  that  tracked  the increase  in  school  district                                                                    
budgets along with the BSA.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman believed  that the data could  be provided. She                                                                    
noted that the DEED  website posted the revenues distributed                                                                    
to each district.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  suggested including  each  districts                                                                    
funding in aggregate in a bar  chart next to the charted BSA                                                                    
on Slide 4. He believed  that the upward trend would surpass                                                                    
the trajectory over a 10 year period.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  replied that the  numbers would  align because                                                                    
districts tended to spend all the money they received.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas noted  that in  the  past school  districts                                                                    
were able  to get by  with no budget increments.  He thought                                                                    
in  light  of  the  declining  oil  production  that  school                                                                    
districts  needed control  spending and  to stop  asking for                                                                    
more funding.  He said  that 24  percent of  total operating                                                                    
budget went for education. He  thought that everyone, in all                                                                    
departments, needed to work together to stop spending.                                                                          
Commissioner Hanley  agreed that $1  out of every $4  of the                                                                    
operating budget  was spent on  education. He  stressed that                                                                    
the increased  cost of operations was  often overlooked; the                                                                    
issue was not increased spending, it was inflation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas hypothesized what  might happen if the state                                                                    
lost any  significant amount of federal  funding; he thought                                                                    
the state would have to back fill $100 million per year.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:19:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule asked  when  in the  year the  student                                                                    
counts occurred.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  said that the  count was  taken over a  20 day                                                                    
period in October of each year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  noted that  the Alaska  Permanent Fund                                                                    
Dividend  and the  Alaska Federation  of Natives  Conference                                                                    
occurred  in  October.  He   expressed  concern  that  rural                                                                    
students traveling into the city  could be missed during the                                                                    
count.  He  asked  if the  department  had  data  concerning                                                                    
students who not have been counted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman responded  that the October count  was based on                                                                    
enrollment. If  a student  was enrolled  in a  local school,                                                                    
but  was out  on an  excused  absence, they  would still  be                                                                    
counted for funding.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  pointed out to the  committee the $30                                                                    
million proposed  increase by the  governor. She  noted that                                                                    
each district was very different  and wondered how the funds                                                                    
would be fairly allocated. She asked  if there was a plan to                                                                    
rein in spending as costs increased.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied the  governor's proposed increased would                                                                    
be addressed further into the presentation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  agreed that prior to  FY10, funding had                                                                    
not been flat.  He stressed that the amount  of money making                                                                    
it into  the actual classroom  during FY11 through  FY13 was                                                                    
completely flat.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  said  that the  state  was  increasing                                                                    
expenditures  to  education  every  year  through  FY13.  He                                                                    
assured the  committee that the  governor would  continue to                                                                    
support education.                                                                                                              
Representative  Gara clarified  that  his  concern was  with                                                                    
classroom  funding.   He  cited  the   Legislative  Research                                                                    
analysis that showed that every  department in the state had                                                                    
received and  increase for increased salaries  and benefits,                                                                    
except  for  K-12 education.  He  wondered  why other  state                                                                    
agencies received  salary and benefit increases  in order to                                                                    
maintain levels of service, but schools did not.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hanley   responded  that   expenditures   had                                                                    
increased.  He  explained  that the  state  agency  did  not                                                                    
determine where  local districts  allocated their  funds. He                                                                    
stressed  that increased  costs, and  not flat  funding, was                                                                    
the issue at the local level.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  asked if  there was a  chart that                                                                    
depicted how  much money was  spent in the  classroom versus                                                                    
transportation,  utilities,  etc.  He  understood  that  the                                                                    
numbers  would  vary  by district,  but  that  a  statewide,                                                                    
cumulative number would be informative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  replied that the department  could prepare the                                                                    
information at a later date.  She reiterated that individual                                                                    
districts chose where to allocate appropriated funds.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair   Fairclough   informed    the   committee   that                                                                    
individual  district school  board presidents  could provide                                                                    
the  additional   information:  student   population,  labor                                                                    
contracts,   number  of   teachers  employed,   maintenance,                                                                    
utilities, and program expansion.  She thought that once the                                                                    
information  was  presented,  the  committee  could  examine                                                                    
rising costs by district.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  pointed out $80  million went into  the BSA                                                                    
in FY04. He thought that  should be recognized. He commented                                                                    
that paying  teacher's retirement salary  directly benefited                                                                    
the classroom.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:29:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued with  her presentation.  She directed                                                                    
committee attention back  to Slide 4. She said  that in FY09                                                                    
through FY11 the 3-year education  plan was in action, which                                                                    
meant an  increase of $100  per year in  the BSA, a  rise in                                                                    
intensive student  funding from 9  to 13 times the  BSA, and                                                                    
district  cost factors  continued  to be  added into  annual                                                                    
costs. She  stated that there  was no BSA increase  in FY12;                                                                    
rather the  state provided one-time  funding of  $20 million                                                                    
placed  into the  department's budget  for school  districts                                                                    
for  the  AADM,  plus  the addition  of  the  district  cost                                                                    
factor. She relayed that the  FY13 governor's budget did not                                                                    
request  BSA increase,  but did  include the  additional and                                                                    
final  year  of  the  implementation of  the  district  cost                                                                    
factors. She explained that the  $1.7 billion represented in                                                                    
the  FY13  column  was  approximately   26  percent  of  the                                                                    
unrestricted general funds before  the legislature. She said                                                                    
that the  request included  the full funding  of the  BSA at                                                                    
$1.1  billion,  pupil  transportation, forward  funding  for                                                                    
2013 K-12  education and pupil transportation,  $329 million                                                                    
for  the PERS  and TERS  unfunded liability;  a $76  million                                                                    
increase over the current year  roughly equivalent to a $300                                                                    
increase in the BSA on current projected costs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  asked  how  many   years  in  a  row  the                                                                    
legislature had approved forward funding.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied 6 years.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas said that forward  funding money was sitting                                                                    
and waiting to be spent on education.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  relayed that $124  million was approved  by the                                                                    
house for municipal school debt  reimbursement, which was an                                                                    
increase over the current year  of approximately $12 million                                                                    
and  would  fund  the  60 to  70  percent  reimbursement  of                                                                    
education  facility projects  approved  by  local voters  in                                                                    
municipal school districts. She  detailed items that had yet                                                                    
to  be  passed by  the  house  in  the capital  budget:  $61                                                                    
million for  school construction,  $24 million for  14 major                                                                    
maintenance  projects and  $1.7 million  for Mount  Edgcumbe                                                                    
deferred maintenance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  continued to Slide  6a. She stated that  due to                                                                    
the decline in oil production  the governor was reluctant to                                                                    
build  in  automatic  formula increases;  the  governor  was                                                                    
reluctant  to  support  automatic increase  in  the  formula                                                                    
because of the  cumulative impact on the state  budget.  She                                                                    
said that  the governor was  willing to consider  a targeted                                                                    
fixed cost  increases for education. She  noted an amendment                                                                    
that had  been submitted to  the committee on March  8, 2012                                                                    
from  OMB,  which  had  been  based  on  energy  and  people                                                                    
transportation  costs. She  relayed  that  the energy  costs                                                                    
that school  districts had  actually pain  in FY11  had been                                                                    
examined, as well as the  projected spending for 2013, which                                                                    
was  why  $20  million  of the  $30.3  million  request  was                                                                    
targeted specifically  at energy  costs. She added  that the                                                                    
current  grant  program  for pupil  transportation  was  not                                                                    
covering the increased costs of pupil transportation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze requested  further  explanation  of the  6                                                                    
year cumulative increase in education spending.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld explained  that  if the  BSA  was increased  by                                                                    
$125, $31.6  million would be  put into the base  budget for                                                                    
the  school  funding formula.  She  furthered  that in  FY14                                                                    
there was  a proposal that  the $31.6  would be in  the base                                                                    
budget, plus an  increase in the BAS of $130.  The BSA would                                                                    
increase  in FY15;  all the  additions to  the BSA  would be                                                                    
added to  the formula  program, which over  a 6  year period                                                                    
would increase to $487 million.  He stressed that these were                                                                    
the  areas  of concern  when  managing  the state  operating                                                                    
budget  on  an  annual  basis  while  facing  declining  oil                                                                    
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Rehfeld   redirected   committee  attention   to   the                                                                    
governor's March  8, 2012 amendment.  She restated  that the                                                                    
request  was  for  $30.3  million. She  said  that  OMB  had                                                                    
identified  people   transportation  and  energy   costs  as                                                                    
specific  items  that  districts  had said  that  they  were                                                                    
unable to  cover. She shared  that OMB proposed  to allocate                                                                    
the funds  based on the  BSA as if  it had been  included in                                                                    
the funding  formula, but  it would not  be included  in the                                                                    
formula.  The  amendment  would be  an  appropriate  way  to                                                                    
allocate the  dollars. She pointed  Slide 6,  which included                                                                    
multiple columns  detailing the school districts,  state aid                                                                    
foundation  allocations  by   district  December  15,  pupil                                                                    
transportation allocations by district  December 15, the two                                                                    
totals  combined, fixed  cost increase  allocation based  on                                                                    
AADM, and the totals overall for each district.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze noted that the  graphs Ms. Rehfeld referred                                                                    
to were available to the public on BASIS.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  understood that with the  BSA increase each                                                                    
year the formula funding would  need to be increased by $400                                                                    
to $500 million.                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld responded that the  forward funding was based on                                                                    
the  projection  of  whatever  the  current  school  funding                                                                    
formula was at the time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas surmised  that the  numbers would  increase                                                                    
over the years.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  asked whether school  districts had                                                                    
the  ability to  use funds  on anything  they wanted  if the                                                                    
governor's proposed budget was passed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld believed  that the  funds would  be applied  to                                                                    
energy  costs and  pupil transportation.  However, once  the                                                                    
funds were provided  to the school districts,  they could be                                                                    
used  for  whatever  the school  board  deemed  the  highest                                                                    
operation priorities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:43:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  wondered whether the  different costs                                                                    
of   energy  for   each  district   would   be  taken   into                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  replied that the  AADM took  into consideration                                                                    
all components of the school  funding formula to account for                                                                    
costs in various areas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  whether the  increase was  a net                                                                    
$10 million increase from the prior year's budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  spoke  out   against  the  one  time                                                                    
funding. She wondered  if a statewide plan  to control pupil                                                                    
transportation costs had been considered.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied that concerning  energy, there were some                                                                    
opportunities  for school  districts  to acquire  additional                                                                    
support  through  the State  Energy  Program  housed by  the                                                                    
Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation (AHFC). She  stated that                                                                    
the  department  could best  reply  on  the topic  of  pupil                                                                    
transportation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nudelman interjected  that the  conversation concerning                                                                    
quality, cost-controlled  pupil transportation  was ongoing.                                                                    
She  said that  the department  had tried  several different                                                                    
solutions, none of which had been particularly successful.                                                                      
2:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  referenced Slide 7,  which detailed  the local                                                                    
effort in the  public school funding formula.  She said that                                                                    
the  public school  formula calculated  basic need  for each                                                                    
district by  starting with the  October count,  applying the                                                                    
formula  factors, and  multiplying  by the  BSA. Once  basic                                                                    
need was calculated  then it was decided  who paid: required                                                                    
local effort, federal impact aid  or the state general fund.                                                                    
She  said  that  all  districts received  their  basic  need                                                                    
funds.  She  relayed that  the  state  general fund  covered                                                                    
whatever funds  were needed after the  required local effort                                                                    
and impact aid was accounted  for. She referred to the first                                                                    
column in the chart depicting  the required mill rate in the                                                                    
state.  She explained  that  the required  mill  rate was  a                                                                    
contribution from  local governments of 4  mills of assessed                                                                    
property value.  The third column illustrated  a change that                                                                    
occurred in  2002; since that  time the 4 mills  was applied                                                                    
to a  reduced assessment. The state  assessor's numbers were                                                                    
reduced by  only considering the  increases of  growth since                                                                    
1999 at 50 percent. She said  that when the two columns were                                                                    
compared  the full  assessed  and  reduced education  values                                                                    
could be determined.  She said that the  effective mill rate                                                                    
due to  the assessments was  below 4 percent.  She discussed                                                                    
the  required  local  effort column.  She  said  that  local                                                                    
governments  could contribute  additional amounts.  The last                                                                    
column  on the  chart showed  contributions below  the local                                                                    
distribution cap of 4 mills.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley talked  about the  pre-K program  focus                                                                    
within the department as charted  on Slide 9. He stated that                                                                    
the department  funding for the  Head Start  program matched                                                                    
federal funding. The department  also funded Best Beginnings                                                                    
and  the Parents  as  Teachers program.  He  noted that  the                                                                    
boxes on the left of the  chart represented year one and the                                                                    
boxes on  the right represented  year two. He  stressed that                                                                    
the  programs  were  focused  on   high  risk  students.  He                                                                    
directed  the  committee's  attention to  the  Entry  (Fall)                                                                    
column  of the  left hand  box.  He pointed  out that  under                                                                    
Collaborative Approach  the Bottom  Quartile number  was 33.                                                                    
He said  that the slides  showed that the students  moved up                                                                    
the quartile, from  the bottom into the  higher quartiles as                                                                    
the year progressed. He detailed  the three basic approaches                                                                    
the  department  took  regarding  pre-K:  The  Collaboration                                                                    
Approach; which  worked with Head Start  to provide services                                                                    
and  leveraged both  state and  federal  money, The  Infused                                                                    
Approached;  which  worked  directly  with  the  Head  Start                                                                    
program  to increase  academic rigor  within the  Head Start                                                                    
program,  and the  District Approach;  which was  created by                                                                    
the district. He highlighted that  positive results had been                                                                    
found  in both  years.   He  noted  that additional  results                                                                    
could be found  in year two by examining  the higher numbers                                                                    
of children in the top quartile by the spring.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman discussed Slide 8,  which detailed local effort                                                                    
history. She  said that when  the state went  from something                                                                    
less  than 4  mills for  the local  required effort,  it was                                                                    
state general  fund money that  made up the  difference. The                                                                    
chart  detailed the  amount that  the state  backfilled each                                                                    
year under the provision.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:59:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  thought that communities  were paying                                                                    
a large amount  in educations funds. She noted  that not all                                                                    
districts were paying  the 4 mills, but were  still seeing a                                                                    
substantial  increase  in  tax dollars  for  education.  She                                                                    
understood that  there were  parts of  the state  that where                                                                    
education was entirely state funded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Nudelman  replied  that  only  districts  with  taxable                                                                    
property  had  a required  local  effort  in the  foundation                                                                    
formula.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  understood  that all  parts  of  the                                                                    
state could have taxable property if they chose.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  replied that if  the area was  an incorporated                                                                    
government then the property could be taxed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  pointed out  that  the  state aid  had                                                                    
increased from  $77,145,225 in FY11 to  $80,678,671 FY13. He                                                                    
queried the formula that drove those numbers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  stated that since 1999,  property increases in                                                                    
school  districts  were  assessed  at half.  If  a  property                                                                    
assessed at $400,000  in 1998, 4 mills would  be applied, if                                                                    
the  property were  assessed in  2000, the  payment required                                                                    
would be $200,000.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  how  the amount  that the  state                                                                    
paid was calculated.                                                                                                            
Ms.  Nudelman  said that  after  local  required effort  and                                                                    
federal impact  aid whatever was  left would be  the state's                                                                    
share. Whenever the local or  federal aid dropped, the state                                                                    
made up the difference.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough asked if  the calculation used a full,                                                                    
assessed value.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Nudelman  deferred the  details of  the question  to the                                                                    
state assessor.  She explained that the  assessed value that                                                                    
the  department received  from the  state  assessor did  not                                                                    
give credit for exemptions  that local communities chose for                                                                    
themselves.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:04:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley stated  that  the  department had  four                                                                    
components  in the  pre-K program.  The department  had $7.2                                                                    
million in matching  funds for the Head  Start program; Best                                                                    
Beginnings  was  supported  at   $612,000.  The  Parents  as                                                                    
Teachers program  garnered $300,000 in state  funds, and the                                                                    
state pre-K allowed  for $2 million. Of the  $2 million $1.7                                                                    
was distributed  to six  different districts,  $300,000 went                                                                    
to two intervention districts per legislative request.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  discussed Slide  10, which  charted the                                                                    
department's Alaska pre-K program  approach and funding. The                                                                    
funding  source, state  contribution  per  child, and  total                                                                    
cost  per  child  of  the  six  different  programs  in  the                                                                    
competitive grant  were listed.  He said that  the Anchorage                                                                    
($9,936.),  Juneau  ($13,824.),  Bering  Strait  ($17,113.),                                                                    
Nome  ($13,347.),  Lower  Kuskokwim  ($12,132.)  and  Yukon-                                                                    
Koyukuk ($6,711.)  school districts  all had  grants running                                                                    
pre-K  programs. He  directed  attention to  the bottom  two                                                                    
boxes, which  listed the Lower  Yukon ($150,000)  and Yupiit                                                                    
($150,000)   school   districts,  both   were   intervention                                                                    
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough asked how  many students were serviced                                                                    
by each of the pre-K programs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley referred to  Slide 9, which provided the                                                                    
information year-by-year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello referred  to  a  presentation by  a                                                                    
representative   from  the   federal   government  who   had                                                                    
highlighted the alarming  fact that Alaska could  count on a                                                                    
9 to 15  percent reduction every year in  federal funds from                                                                    
2012  into  the  future.  She  said that  a  list  had  been                                                                    
provided as to where the  reductions would be found and that                                                                    
education was  among the listed  areas. She wondered  if the                                                                    
department had been  in communication on a  federal level in                                                                    
preparation for the reduction of funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  stated that he had  talked with Senator                                                                    
Murkowski, but that  no one could pinpoint  where those cuts                                                                    
would  be located.  He said  that the  federal funding  that                                                                    
supported Head  Start was $32  million and that  that number                                                                    
could drop significantly.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  asked which programs  represented a                                                                    
collaborative approach to pre-K education.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied  that the collaboration approach                                                                    
involved the  state working with  Head Start to  establish a                                                                    
program. He explained  that the infuse approach  used a Head                                                                    
Start  program already  in place  and determined  where that                                                                    
program could be strengthened.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:10:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  continued to Slide 11  titled "Proposed                                                                    
Alaska Standards."  He stressed that the  proposed new state                                                                    
standards had been sent to  the State Board of Education for                                                                    
an extended  public comment period  and could be  adopted as                                                                    
early  as June.  He  said that  national  standards did  not                                                                    
exist  and that  until recently  every state  was given  the                                                                    
opportunity to develop their own  standards. He relayed that                                                                    
the  current content  standards  had been  developed in  the                                                                    
mid-1990's,  performance and  grade  level expectations  had                                                                    
been added  later. He  shared that  recently the  Council of                                                                    
Chief  State School  Officers completed  the development  of                                                                    
the common  core standards.  The idea was  to raise  the bar                                                                    
for all  of students  across the country.  He said  that the                                                                    
national common  core standards were  set in stone  and that                                                                    
Alaska  had developed  common core  standard  unique to  the                                                                    
state. He believed that  Alaska's fierce independence should                                                                    
not extend  to the educational standards  set nationwide. He                                                                    
believed  that Alaska's  graduates would  be competing  with                                                                    
graduates from around  the country. He said  that the effort                                                                    
was made  to assure that  the common core standards  for the                                                                    
state met and exceeded the national standard.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:15:44 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative  Gara did  not understand  the new  standards                                                                    
presented  in the  presentation.  He asked  if the  required                                                                    
number  math and  science  courses were  part  of the  newly                                                                    
developed standards.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  responded that  the new  standards were                                                                    
meant to  focus on the  needs of  all students and  were not                                                                    
intended  to  meet  the  standards  set  by  the  Governor's                                                                    
Performance  Scholarship.  He  added, however;  he  believed                                                                    
that  the  new standards  would  make  a difference  in  the                                                                    
number of kids that would qualify for the scholarship.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara surmised that  no consideration had been                                                                    
taken concerning  the required number  of years of  math and                                                                    
science.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  rebutted that  the minimum  courses for                                                                    
graduation were a different conversation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon asked  if  the  standards applied  to                                                                    
public schools.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied yes.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon surmised  that raising  the standards                                                                    
would cost districts money.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  in the  affirmative. He  added                                                                    
that  Best Practices  suggested that  standards be  reviewed                                                                    
approximately  every  6  years.  He said  that  it  was  the                                                                    
responsibility of the  state to set the  standards and there                                                                    
would be cost associated with any standards the state set.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:18:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  had heard that the  standards adopted                                                                    
by the Anchorage  School Board were higher  than the current                                                                    
standards  out  for  review.  She   asked  if  the  National                                                                    
Assessment  of Education  Progress  (NAEP)  scores would  be                                                                    
adopted in  order to measure Alaska's  students head-to-head                                                                    
with other students in the country.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  replied  that  Anchorage  had  adopted                                                                    
standards  that the  Anchorage School  Board believed  to be                                                                    
higher  than  the  proposed state  standards.  He  applauded                                                                    
Anchorage  for  attempting to  raise  the  bar. He  did  not                                                                    
believe  that  pulling one  standard  out  of language  arts                                                                    
standards  represented more  of  an increase  in rigor  than                                                                    
what was outlined in the  newly proposed state standards. He                                                                    
did not anticipate that there  would be very much difference                                                                    
between the  Anchorage standard and  the one adopted  by the                                                                    
rest of  the state. He  believed that districts  that wanted                                                                    
to purchase curriculum materials  that were aligned with the                                                                    
common  core  standards  would be  adequately  aligned  with                                                                    
state standards.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  referred to  a presentation  from the                                                                    
department's website on  Alaska's proposed English Language,                                                                    
Arts and  Mathematics standards. She expressed  concern with                                                                    
page 33, which stated:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     "It is up to schools and teachers to decide how to put                                                                     
     the standards into practice and incorporate other                                                                          
     standards, including the cultural standards."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough queried the  validity of an assessment                                                                    
that was  created by  those it  assessed. She  stressed that                                                                    
Alaskan graduates  were being  compared with  other students                                                                    
by their  NAEP scores  for college admissions  and expressed                                                                    
concern  that  Alaska's  students  would  be  in  the  lower                                                                    
percentile.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley believed that  the state standards would                                                                    
be equal or greater than the rest of the country.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:23:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked if  it would be  cost effective                                                                    
for the  state to use  an assessment that was  already being                                                                    
used in the rest of the nation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  that  the  department did  not                                                                    
know what  the costs  would be.  He said  that if  the other                                                                    
assessments proved to  be more cost effective  for the state                                                                    
than creating our own assessment,  then one of them would be                                                                    
used.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello   echoed   constituents   concerns                                                                    
regarding how  the districts communicated with  the parents.                                                                    
She said that parents of  children that performed well under                                                                    
the  school based  assessment  testing  believed that  their                                                                    
children were  doing very  well in  school. She  opined that                                                                    
when  compared to  test  scores on  the  national level  the                                                                    
students  were  underperforming.  She   hoped  that  as  the                                                                    
department     looked    into     assessments,    meaningful                                                                    
communication with parents would be considered.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  asserted that educators needed  to stop                                                                    
lying to kids.  He clarified that building a  false sense of                                                                    
self-esteem  would be  detrimental to  students in  the long                                                                    
run. He  felt that  the proposed  standards would  allow for                                                                    
more honest assessments.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  asked  if  the  state  could  stop                                                                    
participating in No Child Left Behind.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  no.  He said  that there  were                                                                    
waivers  that  alleviated  the  state's  responsibility  for                                                                    
adequate  yearly progress.  He  reported that  if the  state                                                                    
wanted to  move towards a  waiver several things  would need                                                                    
to be in  place: the school accountability  model would need                                                                    
to change, college and career  ready standards would need to                                                                    
be  established, and  student achievement  would need  to be                                                                    
tired directly to teacher and principal evaluations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:29:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  probed the  three sets  of standards:                                                                    
test   based  graduation   standards,  college   scholarship                                                                    
standards and how they all fit together.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley explained  that  the present  standards                                                                    
were content standards and  when standardized testing became                                                                    
required   some  performance   standards  were   built  into                                                                    
particular grade levels.  He said that once  it was required                                                                    
to  assess students  across grade  levels  the "grade  level                                                                    
expectations," which  were performance standards  for grades                                                                    
3  through  10,  were  added.  He  relayed  that  the  three                                                                    
standards had been  simplified into one in  the new proposed                                                                    
standards.  He furthered  that the  standards set  what kids                                                                    
need to know upon graduation,  but the assessments that were                                                                    
performed  measured how  students  were progressing  towards                                                                    
proficiency of the standards. He  said that Alaska currently                                                                    
assessed students in grades 3  through 10. He walked through                                                                    
the  assessments  starting  with the  developmental  profile                                                                    
which occurred  in the first  month of kindergarten  and the                                                                    
first part of 1st grade.  He shared that the standards based                                                                    
assessment was  performed in  grades 3  through 10.  He said                                                                    
that the assessment  were driven by federal  statute and was                                                                    
the largest  component of  the state's  assessment protocol.                                                                    
He  stated  that   the  final  test  was   the  High  School                                                                    
Graduation  Qualifying   Exam  (HSGQE),  which   existed  in                                                                    
statute  and was  a minimum  competency test  of basic  8th,                                                                    
9th, and 10th grade skills.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:35:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  said that  the  HSGQE  was the  test                                                                    
showed that students  in the state were 20  points below the                                                                    
national average.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley corrected that  it would be the standard                                                                    
baseline assessment  that recognized  the low-cut  score. He                                                                    
said that the  HSGQU was not a separate test.  In 10th grade                                                                    
the student  took the standard baseline  assessment with the                                                                    
HSGQE incorporated; one test would result in two scores.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hanley    continued   to    the   Alternative                                                                    
Assessment:  Modified and  Nonstandardized HSGQE,  which was                                                                    
used  for students  with disabilities.  He highlighted  that                                                                    
the Norm-referenced  Assessment was the one  assessment that                                                                    
was still a part of the  protocol, but was no longer part of                                                                    
the state's accountability protocol.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley continued  to  Slide  13, which  listed                                                                    
several other assessments.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  asked how  the  state  rated on  the  NAEP                                                                    
scores.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  stated that  the NAEP was  performed in                                                                    
the 4th  and 8th  grades. He  shared that  at the  4th grade                                                                    
level the  state ranked 5th  from the bottom in  reading and                                                                    
33rd  from the  top  in math.  He added  that  in 8th  grade                                                                    
reading the state was 7th from  the bottom and 26th from top                                                                    
in  math.  He shared  that  Alaska  was  ranked 3rd  in  the                                                                    
country as far as progression in an upward direction.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas wondered  if  the numbers  could be  broken                                                                    
down by district.                                                                                                               
Commissioner Hanley  though he could provide  the numbers at                                                                    
a later date.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  asked if  the NAEP  was independent                                                                    
in providing a representation of a group of students.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hanley   replied   that  every   student   in                                                                    
representative districts  took the test  in the 4th  and 8th                                                                    
grade.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello wondered if  the department knew how                                                                    
many elementary school curriculums used Everyday Math.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied that he did not know.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  asked  who  chose  the  students  in  each                                                                    
district to take the NAEP test.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  said that it  was a random  sampling of                                                                    
students.  He  added  that  the  diversity  of  each  school                                                                    
district was taken  into consideration in order  to select a                                                                    
good representation of the state's  population. He said that                                                                    
5,500 4th graders  were selected and 4,800  8th graders were                                                                    
selected for the test statewide.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:42:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  discussed   the  graduation  rate,  he                                                                    
explained  that  he  adjusted  cohort  graduation  rate  was                                                                    
reported as a fraction:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The numerator is the sum of the number of graduates                                                                        
     within the cohort who receive a regular diploma on or                                                                      
     before June 30.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The denominator is the sum of all students assigned to                                                                     
     the cohort from the 9th grade class three years prior.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  stressed  that  the  converse  of  the                                                                    
equation  was not  the  drop-out rate.  He  stated that  the                                                                    
current graduation rate was 68  percent, and rising. He said                                                                    
that drop-out rates were rated  annually. He cited the green                                                                    
bar on the  graph, which illustrated a  4.7 percent drop-out                                                                    
rate  for 2011.  He explained  that by  adding together  the                                                                    
drop-out rates for the four  year cohort; 2008 through 2011,                                                                    
the total drop-out rate was 20.1 percent.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  asked  if   school  districts  suffered  a                                                                    
financial loss when students dropped out.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley replied  that it  would depend  on when                                                                    
they dropped out. The funding  would remain in the system if                                                                    
the student dropped out after October.                                                                                          
Vice-chair Fairclough  asked what  the drop-out  equation on                                                                    
the annual  basis. She wondered  what happened to  the extra                                                                    
10 percent.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied that  approximately 2 percent of                                                                    
the students  had serious disabilities  and moved  into life                                                                    
skills courses rather  than graduating, 2 to  3 percent that                                                                    
ended up  being 5th  or 6th year  seniors and  the remainder                                                                    
who moved on to get their certificates of achievement.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello  asked   if  the   districts  ever                                                                    
followed up with students that  had dropped out to determine                                                                    
why they had not finished.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  replied that  interviews did  not occur                                                                    
at the  state level,  but often they  were performed  at the                                                                    
local level.  He said that  given the myriad of  reason that                                                                    
students  dropped out  it was  difficult to  address with  a                                                                    
single methodology why students left school.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara   cited    pages   4   (General   Fund                                                                    
Appropriations for  K-12 Education)  and 15  (Graduation and                                                                    
Dropout  Rate).  He  noted  that the  years  with  the  most                                                                    
improved  graduation  rates  directly  correlated  with  the                                                                    
years with the largest boosts in education funding.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  replied that he could  not speculate on                                                                    
the matter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara recalled  that the  state was  5th from                                                                    
the  bottom nationally  for 4th  grade  reading ability.  He                                                                    
asked if  a more comprehensive voluntary  pre-K system would                                                                    
have a positive effect on the numbers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  responded  that it  was  difficult  to                                                                    
predict.  He said  positive  results had  been  seen in  the                                                                    
current  pre-K  program,  but stressed  that  current  pre-K                                                                    
programs served mostly high risk students.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley turned  to Slide  16, which  listed the                                                                    
Boarding Home Schools around the state.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze asked  if the  boarding  schools had  long                                                                    
waiting lists.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley replied no. He  added that they did tend                                                                    
to  operate  at  full  capacity.   He  recalled  that  Mount                                                                    
Edgecumbe had a waiting list.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman  wondered  if  any  of  the  boarding                                                                    
schools,  other than  Mount Edgecumbe,  would eventually  be                                                                    
state operated.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  responded   that  discussions  on  the                                                                    
matter were not occurring at this time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  wondered if the department  was responsible                                                                    
for oversight of teacher competency.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hanley  said   that  the   department  worked                                                                    
directly with teacher prep program for the university.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze   asked  if  the   Professional  Practices                                                                    
Commission   (PPC)  was   involved  in   monitoring  teacher                                                                    
performance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  explained that  the PPC would  only get                                                                    
involved if a teacher had violated the law.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas asked  if teachers  at Mount  Edgecumbe had                                                                    
tenure.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  believed that  they  did.  He said  he                                                                    
would need to research the issue further.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  expressed curiosity as how  Mount Edgecumbe                                                                    
teachers  might be  treated differently  for tenure  because                                                                    
the school  was state run.  He thought that the  granting of                                                                    
tenure  for  those  teachers  should  come  from  the  State                                                                    
Education Board or The Legislature.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hanley  replied   that  tenure  was  generally                                                                    
granted  by the  State  Education Board.  He  said that  the                                                                    
board was currently pushing  for accreditation, higher rigor                                                                    
in  regard  to  social  studies  and  SAT  testing  for  all                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  concluded that regional  schools needed                                                                    
to be driven by local communities.                                                                                              
3:53:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  pointed out that the  level of funding                                                                    
the legislature could  offer was based on  the throughput of                                                                    
the oil  pipeline. He  wondered if  the department  had done                                                                    
any modeling to  determine what less funding  would mean for                                                                    
rural school districts.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hanley  replied that  most small  districts did                                                                    
not  come  to state  for  suggestions  on their  budget.  He                                                                    
expressed  that  the department  was  willing  to work  with                                                                    
them.  He   said  that   conversations  were   taking  place                                                                    
regarding regional  schools. He  warned that the  setting up                                                                    
of regional schools could have  a negative impact on smaller                                                                    
schools. He  believed that there were  models available that                                                                    
could be studied in order  to offer rural students a greater                                                                    
opportunity in a larger setting.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:55 PM